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talking about creativity in mr kiasu forum, this question just pop up in my mind...How creative is our local talent? if we look at Taiwan, HK or even Msia...their artist comes up with wide range of ideas for their comic...
look back in sgp...wat has the local talent done for the local comic industry. i happen to drop by library yesterday. so i went to the local publish section and look for some local comic. wat i saw there is damm sad scenario loh... only very very little comic on the shelve. dunno is it borrow by the reader, or it is that 少德可怜! only got celestial zone, a few comic by a lady artist (forgot the name :D ) and i think 2 title publish by jack neo (drawn by unknown artist)...and the content...is so boring....nothing interesting....cannot compare to oversea at all.....soooooooo sad.......... :cry:
how come the local talent cannot do something like HK & taiwan...or at least close to malaysia....they ....at least hv comic king, gempak...all these magazine to feature their local comic.....at leaxzt they are more recognize in their own martket.....wat happen here???? :idea: :idea: is it becoz of the market cannot accept it? or too many rules limit their creativity???
some one out there???? any idea??? :?: :?: :?:
rookiyong
01-03-2005, 11:51 AM
I agree with that. Cant really figure out what's the problem too. Pardon me, but I hate to see those Jack Neo comics that supplements or ride the wave on the popularity of the movies. Does this mean the artists can only draw and work like machines? To me its totally no creativity for those comics. [-X
Maybe our economy does not concentrate on work related to creativity, so artists find it hard to survive, finally becoming a 没饭吃 or 做不下去 kind of job. Even they are willing to fork out the time and effort, one day they may just get tired bcos of low response.
How to improve te situation, I have no idea also :|
LoneWolf
01-03-2005, 01:07 PM
没饭吃 or 做不下去 is the key reasons. The worst is that Spore don't have a comics culture, ppl are not willing to fork out $$ to buy.
Frankly chances are really slim to succeed in Spore unfortunately, but don't lost your entheusium :|
rookiyong
01-03-2005, 01:32 PM
没饭吃 or 做不下去 is the key reasons. The worst is that Spore don't have a comics culture, ppl are not willing to fork out $$ to buy.
Frankly chances are really slim to succeed in Spore unfortunately, but don't lost your entheusium :|
Yes, especially lezhun, if you got the enthusium to draw, go do your best :rock:
没饭吃 or 做不下去 is the key reasons. The worst is that Spore don't have a comics culture, ppl are not willing to fork out $$ to buy.
Frankly chances are really slim to succeed in Spore unfortunately, but don't lost your entheusium :|
Yes, especially lezhun, if you got the enthusium to draw, go do your best :rock:
aiyoh...actually i face the same prob also...need to feed my stomach first than only can talk bout 理想。。。sigh...悲哀
but thanks for the encouragement....i'll do my best....hopefully one day all ourdream will come tru... =D>
LoneWolf
01-03-2005, 05:55 PM
What do you have in mind on the script? :mrgreen: I like 武侠 more....Many years ago there is one giuy call 胜福 who did draw 武侠 comics but failed to impress, not sure what he doing now :|
LoneWolf
01-03-2005, 06:03 PM
Lezhun, since you got a gang of comics enthuseism friends, ask them join this forum la =D>
rookiyong
01-03-2005, 06:12 PM
What do you have in mind on the script? :mrgreen: I like 武侠 more....Many years ago there is one giuy call 胜福 who did draw 武侠 comics but failed to impress, not sure what he doing now :|
You know him? I was quite impressed by his effort, he did a Police Story based on SG also, and the art is very HK like. I think he owns a comic shop in the past and used a small office in the shop to draw.
I saw a report about him before if I remember correctly. He actually went to HK to look for Ma Sir and want to learn from him (depressed with SG situation??). But Ma Sir told him that he wont take him in and suggest that he go back to SG and fight his way, just like all of them in HK. He was motivaed and came back to start. Way to go! =D>
What do you have in mind on the script? :mrgreen: I like 武侠 more....Many years ago there is one giuy call 胜福 who did draw 武侠 comics but failed to impress, not sure what he doing now :|
well frankly speaking...i'm stil looking for these 'gang' of ppl to join me..to make our dream comes tru...but very diff to find leh...
most fren now don even read comics...but i'm searching tru net now for young talents...like those graduated from poly...
:bang:
well...as for the script...i'm exploring more variety of topic instead of martial art...cannot compete with hk one...coz they are the main stream in the industry for martial art comic...
if u know 胜福 or happen to hv fren know him...can intro to me?? really lookin for 同道中人 now... :rock:
LoneWolf
02-03-2005, 09:53 AM
I don't know 胜福 personally, just heard of his name many years ago when he is the 1st guy publishing Kungfu comics in Spore =D>
I don't know 胜福 personally, just heard of his name many years ago when he is the 1st guy publishing Kungfu comics in Spore =D>
if you happen to know anyone of you fren or fren's fren or fren's fren's fren like to draw comic...intro me lah...can giv them my email oso thankzzzzzzzzz :supz:
Jack Neo's comic are drawn by Don Low, asisst by Han boon.
Suppose to be a 4 issue series but publisher only produce and publish 2.
胜福 is now working in Shanghai, China.
Working for 画一publisher, working as their creative director.
Mainly dealing with translating traditional text to simplified text of HK comic that 画一get license. And also converting the color to b/w.
U can see the B/W china published HK comic. if it is pusblish by 画一, mostly are handle by 胜福 in terms of productions (for print)
LoneWolf
22-06-2005, 06:37 PM
胜福 is now working in Shanghai, China.
Working for 画一publisher, working as their creative director.
Mainly dealing with translating traditional text to simplified text of HK comic that 画一get license. And also converting the color to b/w.
U can see the B/W china published HK comic. if it is pusblish by 画一, mostly are handle by 胜福 in terms of productions (for print)
Like that waste his talent of an comics artist.........But no choice....rice bowl more important :(
rookiyong
22-06-2005, 10:10 PM
Like that waste his talent of an comics artist.........But no choice....rice bowl more important :(
Maybe his happy as long as can work in the comics industry :)
But creative director should be more than just translation, might be working on some titles too :mrgreen:
胜福 is now working in Shanghai, China.
Working for 画一publisher, working as their creative director.
Mainly dealing with translating traditional text to simplified text of HK comic that 画一get license. And also converting the color to b/w.
U can see the B/W china published HK comic. if it is pusblish by 画一, mostly are handle by 胜福 in terms of productions (for print)
huh?? how come creatice director oso need to do trnaslation one meh?? i tot that sppose to be done by edito?? or translator?? wasted lah the talent...is he drawing any comic again?? publishing any new book?
eggy, how's the ghost stoty comic u guys working on? so sory i didnt make it to participate in the project ... paiseh...hope u guys can publish the book and we can see it on shelf soon... (if u need any help on publishing or printing...can PM me...i'm most willing to help out)
LoneWolf
28-06-2005, 09:41 AM
huh?? how come creatice director oso need to do trnaslation one meh?? i tot that sppose to be done by edito?? or translator?? wasted lah the talent...is he drawing any comic again?? publishing any new book?
eggy, how's the ghost stoty comic u guys working on? so sory i didnt make it to participate in the project ... paiseh...hope u guys can publish the book and we can see it on shelf soon... (if u need any help on publishing or printing...can PM me...i'm most willing to help out)
If finally published, i confirmed support, at least 2 copies :salute:
oh...this one must ask eggy liao...coz he incharge....i oso will support...eggy..maybe can consider 2 version...english and chinese one
?? :mrgreen:
Terry Hooper
05-09-2005, 03:24 AM
Fire,for quite a while I was a member of Singapore Comics Online [SCO] and I tried and tried to get people there to tell me about published/unpublished artists. Nothing. All I got was a lot of talk about life being too busy to draw and you could not make a living from it. At one point someone wrote that I was more enthusiastic about encouraging Singaporean artists and promoting Singaporean comics than Singaporeans on the group!
I know Captain V was a long time back and the only comics I got from Singapore are on my site [http://chinesekoreancomics.4t.com] though I'm unsure whether these are FROM Singaporean artists or not.
It is VERY easy to plan how to set up and establish a comics industry. Singapore is a rich country and it could -could- easily establish its own booming comic market like Hong Kong -even export them.
But,and it is a major "but",you need artists who can keep to deadlines and draw,for deadlines,at least twenty pages per week IF they want to establish themselves as comic book artists. On SCO most doubted they could do a page per week for various reasons.
You need a publisher or someone with money to look at comic projects and publish them. Wong Yuk-Long [Tony Wong] is working on Batman Hong Kong for DC Comics -like Marvel,DC hops around the world looking for the next "new" style or country to exploit and give their comics a "daring new look". I think Wong does up to 30 pages a week,or did,when he had deadlines.
Singapore CAN do it but someone has to get off their butt to get things started!
If I can help by advising just ask.
of course u are most welcome to help....terry , u draw too? :)
i totally agree with you....ppl here dare not step out to venture into comics industry...coz they think they will die hunger....hahahaha :laugh:
but i do know a few artists who are currently fulltime artists and they are doing quiet well...of course they dont rely totally on local market to support them....
is this SCO still active? u hv the web adress? btw, ur web adress www.chinesekoreancomics.... dont work.....can try amend it? i'm interested to look at the captain v comic :D
rookiyong
05-09-2005, 09:57 PM
Amended the link.
Terry, is Singapore Comics Online still available? As Fire said, there are some fulltime artists here in SG, and they are dedicated. By depending on the local market, they probably won't be able to get the support they want. But its great to see that their works are recognised in other countries :salute:
HK's comic culture is there, and has been builit for more than 30 years, but they are also facing some detrioriating situations as the sales of comics drop. HK has one of the most commercial systems out there and really depends on these for survival. The 30-pages per week speed is really one of its kind in the world, nobody can beat it, and I think its introduced by Tony Wong :prayer:
Just my thoughts.
Terry Hooper
06-09-2005, 02:26 AM
Hullo.
The link to my sites should work:~
http://terryhooperhomepage.4t.com
http://blacktowercguk.4t.com
http://chinesekoreancomics.4t.com
The first two feature some of my art,etc..
Singapore Comics Online I have no idea what happened to it. I tried logging in one day and it had closed down. I have the cover scans to two Captain V comics but,sadly,not the comics themselves!
The whole point of Singapore comics is to start on a small scale. If you try jumping in in a big way you could fail due to financial reasons. UK comics are basically Marvel and DC reprints and licenced toy comics. The real UK comics are the Small Pressers and Independent comic publishers with limited print runs and covering all sorts of genres.
If I find out what happened to Singapore Comics Online I'll let you know.
lancelee
06-09-2005, 09:12 AM
It is VERY easy to plan how to set up and establish a comics industry. Singapore is a rich country and it could -could- easily establish its own booming comic market like Hong Kong -even export them.
The Facts [1]
Singapore's comic industry is dead.
Mr Kiasu is not active anymore. Sheng Fu now in Shanghai. No one's doing it full-time except the illustrators at the newspapers (even then, they don't draw comics everyday)
Our Govt is simply not interested to do anything about our comics industry. No point and no future.
The Facts [2]
Singapore's animation industry is booming!
Look at the way Singapore Govt and our press is blowing our own trumpets about our growing animation industry? Even George Lucas comes to Singapore to set up shop.
and our govt is keen to pump in money to help it grow.
Animation, in a way, is like a more complex and sophiscated version of comics. they both tell stories and illustrate visuals. but animation has more commercial potential than comics.
i got a few friends working in animation firms. they are working on animation movies. although they are not supposed to talk about it, supposed to keep it low profile, they are confident the animation films will make a strong impact when released.
that's the future...
hi terry
its great to know that there's someone in the western country interested in the eastern country comic. hv you get in touch with sgp local artists lately? (i mean do you get to know the local comic published lately?) well if u are introducing these comics at your site or promoting it at UK, maybe i can ask their permission to send you some of their works or comics so that u can help us feature in your country and your website..(i think they wont mind...hahaha :laugh: ) maybe you can PM me and we'll see how we can arrange it. :salute:
Terry Hooper
07-09-2005, 02:19 AM
Fire;that would be great! I never got any sort of response from Singaporean creators before so I couldn't really judge styles,etc..
Really,unless you can ask the Government for funds and make a point that comics paved the way for animation,that HK comics make millions of $ and the US and Europe have their own industries -that home grown comics could be a big export once established forget them. Its down to creators pushing and pushing and getting attention -how would your government's attitude change if one of it's citizens became the next big US comic star?
Really,you need a businessman who is interested and wants to get into comic publishing -never give up!
Stunner24
07-09-2005, 09:55 AM
Hi guys, I have posted this link at the SG Comics Link Section. But just wanna share this with you pple :D
http://www.sgdanielwang.com/
LoneWolf
07-09-2005, 11:55 AM
Hi guys, I have posted this link at the SG Comics Link Section. But just wanna share this with you pple :D
http://www.sgdanielwang.com/
This guy very good! i like his style :)
haha...furnie comic...very local dialogue...i like it.... :thumbsup:
Terry Hooper
07-09-2005, 10:45 PM
Liked Daniel's comic. It's what we'd call "Slice of Life"! Ahh,now I know those guys on Singapore Comics Online weren't kidding me -there really is a Singlish!
About my comments on Singapore establishing a comics industry. As I said,you need the talent that can just concentrate on work. Tong Wong says he used to produce 30 pages a week -I assume someone else did the colouring otherwise that is a fantastic achievement! I come across wannabe artists who cannot produce 20 pages in 7 months! They are never,ever going to get into comics. 22 pages in two weeks is okay if you are working on one project and want it to look great. However,I did 40+ pages for an Indian company about three years ago in just under two weeks:creating the characters,stories,etc.,as I went. I can,if I need to,produce 25 black and white pages a week. You really do need to be able to afford the time to do this.
I wondered,I know Chuang Yi publishes Manga in Singapore but what else do they publish?
Is Chuang Yi the only publisher in Singapore? If not what do these others publish.
Interested in knowing.
Thanks!
rookiyong
08-09-2005, 11:53 PM
For HK, their way of drawing comics is very commercialised and it was established by Tony Wong back in the 70's. One team will consist of 10 - 20 people, all specialist in their own areas. There will be story teller, the main artist would be sketching out the story for the week and probably the outline or head. One person will draw hair, one weapons, one clothings, one background etc etc....so these people actually do the same things everyday.
I think colour used to be outsourced, now with the advanced technology, they are doing colour seperation using computer, which can be managed in house. Its basically a very systematic approach and one team can produce 30+ pages in a week, should be fastest in the world.
CY is the only local publisher with manga copyrights, not really alot on others. :)
joequakze
11-09-2005, 10:16 PM
...it's always good to see ppl care and concern for our local comic industry... i m a bit overwhelmed by all the posting here and in a way dun know how to chop in and express my views here....
....may be i m new to the forum and need time to settle down...hahhaha :supz:
.... :laugh: :hello: :supz:
LoneWolf
12-09-2005, 01:50 PM
Your Avatar very solid leh, you draw it your own? :shock:
joequakze
12-09-2005, 02:00 PM
...oh...hiya wolf....yeah...i drew my avartar..... :)
...its the 2nd piece of my own horror illustration series which i call 'Urban Legends'...titled 'Company'... :D
....u can check out the rest in my deviantart acct... currently only 3 pieces for this series though... cos i m re-doin most of my past work... :supz:
...glad u like it... :D
:supz: :rock: :drum: :sing:
LoneWolf
12-09-2005, 02:24 PM
Sure, will visit your web, really cool...., i also feel eerie......man :o
joequakze
12-09-2005, 02:29 PM
....thanks wolf.... :D ....i m into the horror stuffs....thus ....my work focus alot on how to produce the 'feel'.... pls feel free to comment and give me suggestion if u visit... positive or negative comments all welcome :D
:rock: :drum: :sing:
LoneWolf
12-09-2005, 02:35 PM
Saw a few quite good and pro artworks =D> In fact, i can't really comment much as i'm kind of comics collector with no art talents :red: Becos of this, i can only appreciate artworks :D
I only got 1 strength, i.e my comics collection has more than 20,000 copies :D
lonewolf is one of the top collector in sgp...i think can rank top in asia too :thumbsup: :salute: :salute:
joequakze
12-09-2005, 09:05 PM
...wah pian...20 000 copies...? :shock:
.....certainly very very please to meet your aquaintance wolf... :supz: ....
:D :sing: :drum: :rock: :dance:
rookiyong
12-09-2005, 10:00 PM
joe, your artwork is nice, very suited for guys :D hope to see your work soon!
joequakze
12-09-2005, 11:27 PM
....oh thanks rookiyong...hahhaha...but i was hoping my style can be like by all ages and sexes leh.... :supz:
.... i m still developing my drawing style.... hope to come out something appealing to the mass public soon... :D
:sing: :drum: :supz: :dance:
Hades
13-09-2005, 01:02 PM
Personally I feels that the spirit of drawing a ghost should be the eyes and expression.
How about drawing some zoom in of the ghost expression?
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/reviews/562027_20031211_screen007.jpg
This pic reminds me of "The Ring" 8-)
joequakze
13-09-2005, 02:20 PM
...yes..hades... the pic is dedicated to Ring-O Sakado.... Urban Legends is a theme that explored popular Horror stuff thats been around us for years...some are like legend liao.... :D
... i take this opportunity to practice my horror drawing when i do Urban Legends... and yeap... might attempt some zoom in horror drawings soon... :supz:
:rock: :drum: :sing: :supz: :laugh:
Hades
13-09-2005, 07:31 PM
...yes..hades... the pic is dedicated to Ring-O Sakado.... Urban Legends is a theme that explored popular Horror stuff thats been around us for years...some are like legend liao.... :D
... i take this opportunity to practice my horror drawing when i do Urban Legends... and yeap... might attempt some zoom in horror drawings soon... :supz:
:rock: :drum: :sing: :supz: :laugh:
Good luck than :thumbsup: Try and post some of yr works here for us to comments than.. hehe.. :D
joequakze
13-09-2005, 08:42 PM
....hahhaha...sure.....hades....i m working on a new piece...will open a new thead and post my work for u fellas to 'shoot' when i finish... :D ..
:drum: :dance: :rock: :supz:
Hades
13-09-2005, 09:11 PM
....hahhaha...sure.....hades....i m working on a new piece...will open a new thead and post my work for u fellas to 'shoot' when i finish... :D ..
:drum: :dance: :rock: :supz:
Nah, not shooting u. Just gives positive comments :laugh:
joequakze
13-09-2005, 11:56 PM
...like dat cannot...i need negative comments to improve.... :red: ...
...no worry lah..if i post...i wanna heard all comments regardless positive or negative... even harsh comments also welcome...some of this comments can be very enlightening from the experiences i had in the other local art forum... :supz:
:sing: :drum: :rock: :dance: :supz:
Hades
14-09-2005, 01:37 AM
Haha... once u post it, I'll gives comments to it :)
garyg
14-09-2005, 03:07 PM
eh, u guys seems to stray from topic again o :D well, anyway joe, would encourage u to maybe have a password protected thread for comments in future, i'm sure u're aware of that, just a reminder :) if u dont mind, i'll really like to comment too :P first comment is: must it be published thru asiapac? :P
terry:
there's still some f/t poor soul comic worker in singapore like me :D sometimes drawing, sometimes organising events, sometimes writing story ideas etc :D ur request for China EL site is a very difficult one to met though :D
lancelot:
oh, pls dont be too pessimestic abt the already poor state of sg comics :D it will drive away future potential people who want to set out on their own :D there's a time and tide for everything, maybe now the gov sees potential in animation, but maybe one day the bubble will burst, like the .com craze :) another mr comic superstar may just be working underground now waiting to emerge :D
rookiyong
14-09-2005, 08:35 PM
well, anyway joe, would encourage u to maybe have a password protected thread for comments in future, i'm sure u're aware of that, just a reminder :)
Gary, I don't really understand this, can shine some light on me? Or is it trade practice? :D
eh, u guys seems to stray from topic again o :D well, anyway joe, would encourage u to maybe have a password protected thread for comments in future, i'm sure u're aware of that, just a reminder :) if u dont mind, i'll really like to comment too :P first comment is: must it be published thru asiapac? :P
terry:
there's still some f/t poor soul comic worker in singapore like me :D sometimes drawing, sometimes organising events, sometimes writing story ideas etc :D ur request for China EL site is a very difficult one to met though :D
lancelot:
oh, pls dont be too pessimestic abt the already poor state of sg comics :D it will drive away future potential people who want to set out on their own :D there's a time and tide for everything, maybe now the gov sees potential in animation, but maybe one day the bubble will burst, like the .com craze :) another mr comic superstar may just be working underground now waiting to emerge :D
its always good to hv a full time comic artists with a positive attitude like u in sg. gambatte :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
joequakze
16-09-2005, 02:41 AM
...oh...grayg...its the urban legend drawings lah....no need to have pass-word thread... :D ....and abt my comic-stript....i dun intend to approach asiapac cos their marketing strategy and business concept....at the moment... doesn't go with wat i have in mind.... :red:
garyg
17-09-2005, 09:10 PM
:) not trade practice or what lo...just that u dont want your ideas to let the whole world see on this forum lo...u depend on that for a living mah :) There's lots of people who can see this and u never knew if everyone is good guy :D
always pays to be careful :)
rookiyong
17-09-2005, 11:11 PM
Got it :D so will have to screen authorised viewings :salute:
joequakze
18-09-2005, 12:14 PM
...thanks for the concern grayg... :D ....me currently busy with some of my work...will take a while be4 i open a horror drawings thread...hahhaha... :supz: ...after that u can can also post some of your junchi ito style drawings too... :D
:rock: :sing: :drum: :supz:
Hades
18-09-2005, 06:05 PM
...thanks for the concern grayg... :D ....
His nick here should be "garyg" not "grayg" :)
garyg
19-09-2005, 11:32 PM
hee hee, thanks hades. wing fee too old to remember my name >:(
my juni ito...thats old old drawing...but i've this obsession with horror, it excites me in an otherwise boring life in sg :D recently just watched Dawn of the Dead (or something like that), and it kind of inspire me too :D i think the director has some good good story-telling (in the 1st and last part, but not the middle boring section).
gary stil busy with your seminar thing? hardly see u online now a days?? busy drawing bk? :mrgreen:
garyg
20-09-2005, 11:33 PM
busy with keeping myself busy :D being thinking of how to make a living while pursuing passion lo...u know la, everything depend on ownself, mc no pay etc kind of thing lo...
sigh...
dont say like taht....a lot of comic lover and asrtists actually had the same dream life u living now...can draw for a living and get paid and busy working....u r the smarter one of course coz u know how to tab on the education sector and build ur own target audience... :thumbsup: 佩服。佩服 :thumbsup: :salute:
garyg
21-09-2005, 02:03 PM
自己事自己知lo :D 爱拼才会赢！ heh heh heh!
BTW, any hokkien song singers here? i learn hokkien songs while chasing after my wife :D
joequakze
21-09-2005, 03:28 PM
.......自己事自己知lo .... i like the way u put this across, garyg...hahahah....i feel the sentiments tooo..... :D
.....working a career that runs with passion....especially art..... 其中的苦滋味只有自己知啊....ahhahhaa..... :laugh:
:drum: :rock: :sing: :supz:
garyg
21-09-2005, 05:12 PM
thanks joe :) learn it from cantonese drama :D
to balance the sentiments, thats the fun part also :D
very true indeed gary.... ai piah jia eh yah......(i know this song....but dont tell me u sing this to ur wife when u chase after her... :laugh: ) jia you jia you!! wingfee...u too :salute:
rookiyong
21-09-2005, 10:05 PM
maybe should ask who never hear hokkien song here? :laugh: :laugh: most of us going towards uncle age liao, so should have alot still belong to the hokkien 派 :laugh:
oh no..OT again... :salute: :salute: :director:
OT: yaya...true....alot of hokkien派 here
but hokkien派 also can be very creative artists one....（哇！兜得好辛苦） :sweat:
Hades
22-09-2005, 04:11 PM
:topic: Me not Hokkien 派, but I understand what they saying.
u....apple pie? :laugh: :laugh:
:topic: ouch!! soly soly OT
garyg
22-09-2005, 06:53 PM
i sang 一阵风 to my wife last time :D because i chase her until so jia lard...
anyway, back to topic, how creative is local talent? i think not as creative as philipines, china etc generally. my theory is that our gov is too efficient and conformity has more emphasis here than individuality. where there's no rules, creativity thrives (generally speaking). if u depend on creativity for survival, definitely u'll be creative :D
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