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rascal_father
23-06-2005, 09:00 AM
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It’s been nearly four years coming.

In August, Vertigo’s Fables #40 hits, and in it, the revelation of the Adversary’s identity will be made clear.

The story, revealing the leader of the forces that forced the Fables – characters, creatures, and people of myth – from the Homelands has been one of the many carrots series creator Bill Willingham has dangled in front of readers since the series began. It’s the oldest carrot by far, but for many fans, it’s only become sweeter with age.

Warning – spoilers ahead for the events of Fables #38

“My original design was to reveal the Adversary’s identity a little sooner, but some of the story arcs that kept occurring to me kept pushing that moment back a bit,” Willingham told Newsarama. “I was going to do it about three years in, and now, it’s coming in about three and a half or four years into it. Close enough, I guess.”
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While the Adversary (or the Emperor if you’re still living in the Homelands) is a well known figure to the series’ fans, here’s a quick primer for the Fables-deficient: roughly 1,000 years ago, the Adversary invaded the lands occupied by the what we know to be European Fables with an overwhelming force. There was no hope of resistance. Those who weren’t killed or captured were allowed to flee to the world of the “mundanes” to find their own way. While the Fables have established and thrived in “Fabletown” in New York and the Farm (home to non-human Fables), the Adversary’s invasion of their lands and resultant transformation of thousands into refugees has always weighed heavily on the Fables.

Meanwhile, the identity of the Adversary (which Willingham has kept as a closely guarded secret) has weighed heavily on the series’ fans. But, Willingham said, the Adversary’s identity is just one small piece of the picture.

“The idea behind the big mysteries in Fables is that the series was never going to just be a ‘who is the Adversary?’ story. I’ve always loathed books and television shows where the entire thing is the big mystery, and to keep the series going, the one thing that you can determine right away is that you will never get the big mystery solved. The X-Files comes to mind – it was all questions and never a satisfying answer. I think the secret for doing an ongoing series is to create mystery, create questions, give answers occasionally, but by that time, have new mysteries and questions and other elements in play so there’s always a system of payoff and reward and new expectations. That’s the secret for any good ongoing series, really.”

In other words, yes, the Adversary’s identity will be made known in issue #40, but there’s going to be further mysteries from there.

Catching up again for folks who may have lapsed in reading the series, issue #40 will be part four of the “Homelands” arc which has seen Boy Blue, armed with the Jabbewock’s Bane (a sword capable of cleaving through anything) and other weapons, wade back into the Homelands, into the heart of the empire, and into the court of the Emperor himself.

Funny thing though, a couple of years back, if you’d have asked Willingham who would be the one to go back to the Homelands, his answer would have been Bigby (er, that is, the Big Bad Wolf – the former sheriff of Fabletown who can switch between human and wolf form).

“I always knew that there would be this arc where a major character heads back to the Homelands to go one on one with the bad guys,” Willingham said. “I sort of caught myself with my pants down in a sense, because I always thought it was going to be Bigby – or I thought that at first – but then, in The Last Castle story, we made a front-row spotlight star out of Boy Blue, where he was always intended to be a background character. Suddenly, he was able to carry his own story, and as we implied, he had vast years of military experience and training. So Boy Blue turned out to be a more interesting character than I thought, and he wasn’t content to remain in the background at all.”

The writer also had a clear idea of how the character invading the Homelands was supposed to look as well.

“Image-wise, I kind of wanted whoever this was that was going to be cutting and reaving his way through the Homelands to look like a cross between Zorro and Robin Hood. A lot of the reaction to how he looks so far is that he’s along the lines of Dread Pirate Roberts from The Princess Bride, which works for me, because he was basically a cross between Zorro and Robin Hood. That was one of the frustrations initially – I couldn’t figure why there would be any reason on earth for Bigby to dress up like that, because he’s not that kind of guy. He spends a lot of time running around as a wolf. He’s not going to dress in a way where he’d need to find a way to carry lots of stuff with him when he was a wolf.

“So gradually, Boy Blue took over Bigby’s role, so by the time we got to ‘Homelands,’ I knew it would be him running around. The added advantage pf that is that I was able to take Bigby off stage for a while, and the frustrations of the readers are almost palpable in regards to when he’s coming back. The old pattern of keeping them wanting and hoping for something comes back again.”

And there’s the one mystery Willingham is counting on to keep readers around post-#40, though he had to sell his editor, Shelly Bond, on the idea.

“Shelly was worried that the reveal of the Adversary would be seen as readers as a signal that they can leave now, but no – trust me – by the time the Adversary is revealed, the ‘when is Bigby coming back?’ is going to be so adamant among the fans that they’re going to want to stick around to find that out. And by the time they see what Bigby has been up to; there will be another thing for them to be wondering about down the road.”

So – we’ve got Boy Blue cutting his way through – very successfully, one could add – the Homelands, but what of the lands themselves? In the last three years’ span, whenever anyone recounted the attack of the Adversary, it was always filled with shock, horror, fire and blood. Naturally, Fables living in the Mundane world assume that’s what it’s like now – a charred wasteland, perhaps with the Adversary constantly cackling in the background.

Throughout the “Homelands” arc though, it’s been shown that’s clearly not the case. The empire run by the Adversary is quite…well, not exactly nice, but decent. And civilized.

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rascal_father
23-06-2005, 09:01 AM
“It’s Imperial Rome, writ large,” Willingham said. “In movies, we constantly see Rome as the villain, and rightfully so given the parade of increasingly despotic Caesars, but Rome itself was pretty damn stable. They built this vast empire, and more importantly, they knew how to run an empire – keep local kings in place, tax the people, but don’t tax them into revolt, and let them keep their local gods. The bulk of the idea of running the empire was that its subjects could pretty much continue to do what they wanted, as long as they paid their taxes, and behaved. Because of that, Rome had a pretty stable empire, and thanks to Pax Romana, it was a pretty safe empire as well.

“Even though I wasn’t promising that all along when the characters would think of the Homelands, in my mind, I always knew that the empire the Adversary had set up in the Homelands was that – you have lots of room for evil and corruption, but on a grand scale, it’s pretty stable. It would have to be to last for, as we’ve shown, thousands of years. So yeah, for the average guy in the empire, they don’t see suppression and atrocity all the time, their lives are more along the lines of, ‘Well, I hope I can get a good crop this year, so I have a little left over when I pay my taxes.’”

And even the Adversary/Emperor is…well, when introduced in #38, he’s not sucking the marrow from the bones of babies, as one might be lead to believe. In the issue, he’s making a ruling between two brothers who have petitioned him to settle a land dispute. In a rather Solomonic manner, after seeing that the brothers are steadfast and unyielding, the Emperor decrees that the lands be razed, so they now have nothing to fight over.

The scene, Willingham explained, is again rooted in ancient Rome.

“The brothers got exactly what they asked for, but nothing they wanted,” the writer said, chuckling. “Obviously, a little of what was behind the Emperor’s decision was based in, ‘How dare you bring this thing to me? If you can’t work out the problems in your own family, why are you whining to me?’ He taught them a lesson in bringing trivial matters before him, but also, in light of using the Roman template, their laws for how families treated one another were very strict – that was the base unit for culture. The penalty for patricide was among the worst in Rome. If I remember correctly, in Rome, if you killed your father, you were to be sewn into a bag with a rabid dog and a couple of other crazy animals, and as they’re tearing you apart, they’d toss the damn thing in the Tiber River. The worst of punishment was reserved for those who betrayed the family structure itself, so I wanted to add a little bit of that into the empire.”

Issue #38 also allowed Willingham to satisfy his slightly sadistic side as, by all appearances, Boy Blue was pretty damn successful in his task, only to be captured as he tried to escape. Instead of opening on Boy Blue in jail though, issue #39 is an interlude issue, telling of how things are going back in Fabletown.

“We knew there would have to be an interlude issue at some point, just because of the pace at which Mark Buckingham could draw the arc, and we wanted him to do his best work,” Willingham said. “So, with a five part arc, we knew we’d need a break. That’s when the evil part of me kicks in, and decided to put the break in just after Boy Blue was captured. So now, you have to wait two months until you can find out what happened. Was the Emperor killed? Did he get overconfident and wasn’t expecting this? Did Boy Blue get overconfident with his weaponry, which has allowed him to wade through the entire empire, unopposed? Was Boy Blue, himself killed when the Snow Queen brought him down? We’ll have to wait and see.”

The interlude, according to Willingham, will focus partly on The Tourists, three Fable secret agents who travel the world, making sure that the Fables who’ve chosen not to live in Fabletown or on the Farm are minding the rules - keeping a low profile, not revealing their magic nature, and not attracting too much attention to themselves. One of the Tourists plays a major role in the issue.

“One of these three Tourists is Mowgli from The Jungle Book, all grown up, so imagine Tarzan working as James Bond, and you’ve got him,” Willingham said. He’s been called back to Fabletown for a special meeting with Prince Charming. I won’t say exactly why, but it has to do with a scene a while ago when Prince Charming was ranting that they should’ve struck back at the Adversary a long time ago. So now, Charming is calling Mowgli back for a conversation about that.

“At the same time, and this goes back to the revolution at the Farm – Mowgli’s friend, Bagheera is still in jail while the other animal revolutionaries have been put to hard labor or seen equal punishment and released. Why has Bagheera been singled out? Mowgli’s back in town, and he’s going to go see his friend, and we’re going to see how that all ties into this as well. Oh, and they find out who the other traitor they’ve long-suspected is. So it’s a full issue, covering everything that’s been going on in Fabletown, as well as some of the repercussions of Boy Blue taking it upon himself to grab some of the best weapons and go one a one-man mission without anyone’s permission.”

Part of the interlude issue also reveals that not everyone among the Fables has been playing with their cards on the table in regards to communication with the Homelands, and that will spill into the arc that follows “Homelands.”

Speaking of those things to come, Willingham said that, even with the Emperor apparently dead, the story is far, far from over.

“We’ve hardly even touched on the Oz characters, the Alice in Wonderland characters, and so many others. There are plenty of areas left to explore. The arc after ‘Homelands’ is when the Arabian Knights characters start showing up. In this vast expanse of the empire where they conqueror for a bit, then spend years and years consolidating those new conquests, conqueror a bit more, consolidate more…it’s not like the Nazis and the blitzkrieg where they tried to grab everything at once. The way to build a stable empire is to grab what you can handle, not so much that the new members of the empire outnumber those who have grown up under the empire’s rule. You make citizens of those you conqueror, educate them in the ways of the empire, and then take another bite.

“All the worlds that have been conquered so far pretty much match up to the European fables and folklore. Probably about the time Fables the series began, the Emperor began his first, wide-scale invasion of the Arabian Knights lands, so now, the first refugees form that invasion are starting to show up in Fabletown.

“That creates a lot of cultural problems, because until now, for hundreds and hundreds of years, Fabletown has been a Euro-centric club. There hasn’t been a single brown or black face among the actual residents of Fabletown. The B-plot that will go through the arc after Homelands is that we’ll be following Mowgli on whatever secret mission Prince Charming had for him.”

And beyond? What, you need more than the Arabian Knights?

“I figure that if it’s been about 1,000 years of consolidating the European fable lands, and now he’s started with the Arabian Knights, then maybe in my lifetime, we might get to some of the Asian fables. We’ll get a little of the African world in this Arabian wave, simple because of the overlap some of the fables have, but all told, I can’t imagine that the series would ever run dry for material. If the series ends, it’s not going to be because we’ve run out of ideas to work with.”

Jedi Chard
23-06-2005, 04:13 PM
Catching up like mad...

...for this cool series. I finished vol 3: Storybook Love last Mon and I'm scouting around for the next volume.

Yeah, can't wait to find out who the Adversary is
Chard

rascal_father
23-06-2005, 04:25 PM
yep. its quite a good read. if writer is good, can actually expand to many issues, maybe even giving Constantine a run for the money for multiple issues. I hope this Fable thing continues, its a huge potential. Btw, i wished they could do a proper one-shot rehush on The Last Castle. The art was terrible, they should do painted interior, something alittle dark. I actually intend to do my own version of that Last Castle, its liked having a good sex, but the ending is rather anti-climax and a downer. what a waste there. If they have done it well. It would have gain further momentum and overtake y-the last man for critical read. wasted chance.

Jedi Chard
23-06-2005, 04:28 PM
I actually missed Last Castle...

...I even saw an issue in a bargain bin but didn't get it---D'oh. It had a stark white cover with a green frog on the lower bottom.

Yep, a Last Castle reloaded is a good idea.
Chard

rascal_father
23-06-2005, 04:32 PM
if you have not get the title. my recommendation, ditched it. art was childish even though there was intention in it to match the storyline. but for art sake, if they wanted to cover a last castle story, where all the fable pit against the adversary's armies, do one with a no holds bar epic battle. definitely disappointing, avoid liked plague.

Jedi Chard
23-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Sure thing!

And thanks for the advice on that. How about Willingham's other one-shot---Proposition Player? How'd you find it? I haven't read it yet and I'm wondering if I'm missing anything.

Chard

rascal_father
23-06-2005, 04:43 PM
yet to pick up the title. budgets a bit tight. just pop by at my local. can't believe comics are getting so expensive. pick up some house of m tie-in, a vertigo title: menevore,MGS, girls for $58. got to do some serious trimming. it is a predicament, how am i going to keep up with good comics with this limited budget. You tend to miss the gems here. By the way, you should try Image's Girls. Very good read. art nothing outlandish, simple and clean. its the dialogue that carries the story. recommend.

gogetter
24-06-2005, 11:37 AM
I haven't pick up a single Fables or related comics yet.

MSth08
25-06-2005, 11:04 PM
I haven't pick up a single Fables or related comics yet.

grab it fast...it's a title that worth to read...

Jedi Chard
27-06-2005, 01:23 PM
Agree with that!

It's a cool read and I just picked up a couple more Fables tpbs last weekend.

Chard

gogetter
27-06-2005, 03:23 PM
Chard, how many TPBs are there currently? Do I have to get them all in order to know the whole story?

Jedi Chard
27-06-2005, 06:15 PM
Yo gogetter!

If you feel you can catch up fast, picking up volume 2 should suffice. However, like all good things starting from volume 1 really helps because you get to know more about the main characters and their relationships with each other much better.

The good news is there's been 5 tpbs released so far. And believe me, after reading this stuff, you'll view fairy tale characters very differently.

Chard

gogetter
28-06-2005, 10:45 AM
Thanks Chard, maybe go down to kino to get them before the discounts end. :D

MSth08
09-10-2005, 11:49 AM
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FABLES VOL. 6: HOMELANDS TP
Written by Bill Willingham, art by Mark Buckingham, Steve Leialoha, David Hahn, Lan Medina and Dan Green, cover by James Jean.

Collecting issues #34-41 of writer Bill Willingham's Eisner Award-winning creation, Homelands follows Boy Blue on a mission of revenge as he uncovers the Adversary's true identity! Plus, the 2-part story of Jack's adventures in Hollywood and the one-shot story of Mowgli's return to Fabletown.

in stores on Dec. 28.

MSth08
12-02-2006, 10:32 PM
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Bill Willingham’s original hardcover graphic novel Fables: 1,001 Nights of Snowfall is due an October, with painted art by the likes of James Jean, Charles Vess, Brian Bolland, John Bolton, Mark Buckingham, Mike Kaluta, Mark Wheatley, and others. Set in the early days of Fabletown, Snow White is sent to the lands of the Arabian Fables and is captured by the sultan, where she finds herself playing Scheherezade, forced to entertain him with her own stories in return for her life.

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Speaking of Fables proper, in May's issue #49, after more than a year of searching, Mowgli has lost Bigby's trail. "So what does a great hunter do when he's run out of leads, clues and anything resembling rational evidence? He makes a wild guess, of course."

And in June's double-sized issue #50, Bigby Wolf is back, and an event takes place that DC says will "forever change the landscape of Fables”.

It also contains a sneak preview of Jack of Fables, the new July-debuting monthly series by Willingham and Matthew Sturges, with art by Tony Akins and covers by James Jean. The series follows an exiled Jack headed for Hollywood, on the road and, before long, in deep trouble.

Asked if Fables like other Vertigo series is finite in length, Leialoha said the creative team will do it until the end of time... "Maybe longer"…

MSth08
14-03-2006, 07:49 PM
FABLES #50
Written by Bill Willingham
Art by Mark Buckingham
& Steve Leialoha
Cover by James Jean
This unforgettable, double-sized anniversary issue of FABLES answers many of your burning questions: What will happen with the doomed love story of Snow White and Bigby Wolf...not to mention their seventh child? What's going on in the homelands with Pinocchio and his dad, Geppetto? When does Bagheera get out of jail? And where the hell are Jack's lost magic beans?
It's an extra-sized issue chock-full of story and art, plus a special bonus: an exclusive 8-page preview of the new monthly series JACK OF FABLES, co-written by Willingham & Matthew Sturges with pencils by Tony Akins and inks by Andrew Pepoy. Consider yourself personally invited to the most unexpected, major event in the history of Fabletown.
On sale June 14

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