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rookiyong
01-07-2006, 10:20 PM
From channelnewsasia.com

GOLMUD, China : China opened the world's highest railway on Saturday, linking the remote Himalayan region of Tibet with the rest of the country in a symbol of power that President Hu Jintao hailed a "miracle".

Hu launched the rail line at the mountain outpost of Golmud in China's far northwestern Qinghai province, with the event held to coincide with the 85th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese Communist Party.

"The project is not only a magnificent feat in China's history of railway construction, it is also a great miracle for the world," Hu said.

He then cut a ceremonial red ribbon as the first train with 900 passengers on board departed at 11:05 am (0305 GMT) for the 1,142-kilometre (708-mile) trip to the Tibetan capital of Lhasa.

Another train departed Lhasa for Golmud moments later amid carefully choreographed dancing at the station by Tibetan and Han Chinese in traditional costumes, with all the events broadcast on state-run television.

The trains, with extra oxygen pumped into the cabins to prevent passengers from suffering altitude sickness, will traverse a mountain pass sitting 5,072 metres (16,737 feet) above sea level as they follow the Tibetan plateau.

At a cost of 4.2 billion dollars, Hu said the train was an important part of China's historic efforts to modernise the country and further confirmation that the fast-developing nation was undisputably one of the world's great powers.

"This success again shows the hard working and wise people of China have the courage, confidence and ability to continue to create miracles," Hu said.

"We also have the courage, confidence and ability to stand among the advanced peoples of the world."

Aside from coinciding with the 85th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party, the launch of the train line followed the completion of the Three Gorges Dam in May and a second manned Chinese space flight in October last year.

However the train project has drawn enormous controversy from those opposed to China's rule of Tibet, which began in 1950 when officially atheist Chinese troops marched in to "liberate" the devoutly Buddhist people of the region.

Critics argue it will allow the national majority Han Chinese to flood in to Tibet, leading to the devastation of the local Tibetan culture, as well as accelerate environmental degradation of the pristine region.

"China's Tibet railway has been engineered to destroy the very fabric of Tibetan identity," Lhadon Tethong, an exiled Tibetan and executive director of Students for a Free Tibet, said on Friday.

"China plans to use the railway to transport Chinese migrants directly into the heart of Tibet in order to overwhelm the Tibetan population and tighten its stranglehold over our people."

Previously Han Chinese could only get to Tibet on slow, uncomfortable bus rides or on relatively expensive flights. Now, people can travel for 48 hours from Beijing to Lhasa on a train for under 50 dollars.

Tibetan rights groups called upon all Tibetans in exile to wear black armbands on Saturday to symbolise a nation in mourning, and to demonstrate in front of Chinese embassies and consulates around the world.

Tibet's most revered spirutual leader, the Dalai Lama, who fled in 1959 amid a failed Tibetan uprising to establish a government-in-exile in the Indian hill station of Dharamsala, has been careful not to antagonise the Chinese over
the train.

"If there is no political motivation and no hidden political agenda, the railway will be good for Tibet. This is why his holiness the Dalai Lama has declared his support for the project," his spokesman Thupten Samphel said.

"But if it brings environmental damage to Tibet, if there are more Chinese colonists, then it will have a disastrous effect on the life of Tibetans in Tibet."

More info: http://www.qh.xinhuanet.com/qztlw/

Pics from 青藏铁路网:
http://www.qh.xinhuanet.com/qztlw/2006-07/01/xinsrc_5307030114548281224011.jpg

World's highest railway..not everybody can take the kind of climate. =D>

starscream
01-07-2006, 10:38 PM
Fwah! :thumbsup:

meow
01-07-2006, 10:41 PM
gotta do body check up before can go to ching zang cos the oxygen level too low those not fit cant go :|

Miracle
02-07-2006, 01:49 AM
I saw it on the news the day before. The train has got a pressure cooker to cook the rice on board and the kitchen is using a see thru concept. You can even preorder what kind of food you want for the trip, so I think it will be super ex to go on this trip. :(

Koo
02-07-2006, 02:25 AM
Even the train windows have UV coating.

rookiyong
02-07-2006, 07:39 PM
And they even install oxygen masks on the train in case you don't feel well. Can't remember the price, but I think its on the reasonable side. Taking this train is like taking a plane, because on the average it is 4500m above sea level. Really, not everyone can make it to the roof of the world.

meow
02-07-2006, 10:43 PM
the first train reach Lasa at 12mn this morning :hello:

LoneWolf
02-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Think i will be my next target for overseas. I long to go there esp now with the express train:D

meow
02-07-2006, 10:59 PM
Think i will be my next target for overseas. I long to go there esp now with the express train:D

if you plan to go better go early, this kinda place not suitable for older people :D

LoneWolf
03-07-2006, 12:46 AM
if you plan to go better go early, this kinda place not suitable for older people :D

Quite true but must make sure both me and my wife got time slots for leave:D

Marky
03-07-2006, 08:21 AM
Hwo much is it to take the train ah?? might consider going there next time. .

LoneWolf
03-07-2006, 09:58 AM
Hwo much is it to take the train ah?? might consider going there next time. .
Some say $300++:thinking:

kazuki
03-07-2006, 10:45 AM
A gd start is gd thing, but maintaining it is another thing. Better dun turn out to be an ugly sight with rowdy vistors spitting and smoking freely...:|

kazuki
03-07-2006, 02:28 PM
My fear was right...

Those whom have Straits Times can see why...

Passengers sleeping on seats, socks and shoes removed, whole body on the seat. Passenger sleeping below the seats!:laugh:

Do u think u get such sights in Shinkansen?L-)

rookiyong
03-07-2006, 10:41 PM
Just like what people say about Prague, want to go, better go there early before it is infested with tourists and place becomes dirty :laugh: Saw reports that actually the people in Tibet have mixed feelings. Some of them really don't want their life to be disturbed by so many people.

Phoenix just had a special report on this. The climate is super as you can experience 4 seasons within a day. During their test journey, they got sand storm, tornado, snow, rain and fair weather...:o

Marky
03-07-2006, 11:43 PM
Just like what people say about Prague, want to go, better go there early before it is infested with tourists and place becomes dirty :laugh: Saw reports that actually the people in Tibet have mixed feelings. Some of them really don't want their life to be disturbed by so many people.

Phoenix just had a special report on this. The climate is super as you can experience 4 seasons within a day. During their test journey, they got sand storm, tornado, snow, rain and fair weather...:o

Wow... all the more we should go experience this kind of place..

meow
03-07-2006, 11:46 PM
just heard from the new.

those poor rail road work wishing to take a trip on the new train but unable to due to their very small pay :cry:
those that put in 50 yrs of hard work cant even afford the ticket...how sad :cry:

Miracle
03-07-2006, 11:49 PM
just heard from the new.

those poor rail road work wishing to take a trip on the new train but unable to due to their very small pay :cry:
those that put in 50 yrs of hard work cant even afford the ticket...how sad :cry:

Case of another :elephant:

meow
03-07-2006, 11:51 PM
Case of another :elephant:

no lah, this will bring in lots of tourist & foreign currency :supz:

Miracle
03-07-2006, 11:56 PM
no lah, this will bring in lots of tourist & foreign currency :supz:

But Tibet isn't exactly a popular tourist location. :(

Marky
04-07-2006, 12:02 AM
But Tibet isn't exactly a popular tourist location. :(

With the new train, u might not know..

LooK
04-07-2006, 12:03 AM
But Tibet isn't exactly a popular tourist location. :(

It is one of the lastest 'in' tourist location for the advanturous btw.. many student r gg there backpackin.. :)

Miracle
04-07-2006, 12:26 AM
It is one of the lastest 'in' tourist location for the advanturous btw.. many student r gg there backpackin.. :)

Eh... But those people definately won't be spending like 1,300 Yuan on a ticket. [-X

LooK
04-07-2006, 12:28 AM
Eh... But those people definately won't be spending like 1,300 Yuan on a ticket. [-X

Y nt?? Backpackin doesn't always means budget.. its the thrill of nt havin a plan of where to go..

Miracle
04-07-2006, 12:48 AM
What is Backpacking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpacking_%28travel%29)

Travelling in Tibet (http://wikitravel.org/en/Tibet)

The conditions ain't really favourable to backpackers leh. And if you read the Get Around, it says you need permit to get around and in Lhasa they do not give permits to travelers directly, only through a travel agent. Sure backpacking popular? :thinking:

hyperx
04-07-2006, 01:23 AM
My fear was right...

Those whom have Straits Times can see why...

Passengers sleeping on seats, socks and shoes removed, whole body on the seat. Passenger sleeping below the seats!:laugh:

Do u think u get such sights in Shinkansen?L-)

strait times got picture bor? NPNT hor!!! :D


Phoenix just had a special report on this. The climate is super as you can experience 4 seasons within a day. During their test journey, they got sand storm, tornado, snow, rain and fair weather...:o

wow!!! thats a adventurous ride. one that u will nvr get in any amusement park... :laugh:

kazuki
04-07-2006, 09:06 AM
strait times got picture bor? NPNT hor!!! :D

ohh... Bro, u also play hwz wan huh?:laugh:

Bo leh, i dunno where to get. They are in yesterday's ST though.
If by end of the day still no one upload, then i take with my hp lor. But then quality will be quite bad wor...:red:

meow
04-07-2006, 10:01 AM
But Tibet isn't exactly a popular tourist location. :(

it's becos of the harsh weather condition & the number of permit you need to apply.

with the opening of the railway, maybe there will be a increase of tourist.
the chinese govt est the tourist to hit 9k per year after the railway goes in operation :D

hyperx
04-07-2006, 02:28 PM
ohh... Bro, u also play hwz wan huh?:laugh:

Bo leh, i dunno where to get. They are in yesterday's ST though.
If by end of the day still no one upload, then i take with my hp lor. But then quality will be quite bad wor...:red:
wah liao, i am an indian chief in there one hor... a very notorious one. :D

ok... as long got pigs can liaos... :D

kazuki
04-07-2006, 03:30 PM
wah liao, i am an indian chief in there one hor... a very notorious one. :D

ok... as long got pigs can liaos... :D
icic... must be one of those "ti ko peh" posting pics wan right.:whistling

hyperx
04-07-2006, 09:21 PM
OT:

i prefer to flame the moderators there! :D

so how? where are the pigs? ;)

rookiyong
04-07-2006, 09:37 PM
just heard from the new.

those poor rail road work wishing to take a trip on the new train but unable to due to their very small pay :cry:
those that put in 50 yrs of hard work cant even afford the ticket...how sad :cry:

But have to give them :thumbsup: for building the rail. Some even cross 2 generations. The father died and son continues his dream.

kazuki
04-07-2006, 09:51 PM
Bro, as promised. But like i said, the pics quality really not that gd...:|
If u notice, the bottom right corner is a man sleeping under the seat.L-)
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5654/image0396xf.jpg

hyperx
04-07-2006, 09:55 PM
Bro, as promised. But like i said, the pics quality really not that gd...:|
If u notice, the bottom right corner is a man sleeping under the seat.L-)
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5654/image0396xf.jpg

is it 50rmb or 300rmb for a ride. :thinking:

that one sleeping under the seat is :beg: :salute: =))

kazuki
04-07-2006, 10:26 PM
According to ST, its us50 for seat and us158 for bed. Its not cheap actually...
I think those passengers might be white collars in china, considering the ex ticket.

Koo
07-07-2006, 01:43 PM
A little worry of the oxygen outlet in the train cabin. A danger for passagers if there is a fire or expolsion were to occur during the trip. I hope there is emergency cut off valve for the oxygen outlets.:phew:

rookiyong
08-07-2006, 12:24 AM
A little worry of the oxygen outlet in the train cabin. A danger for passagers if there is a fire or expolsion were to occur during the trip. I hope there is emergency cut off valve for the oxygen outlets.:phew:

Based on the high end design of the train, I think they would have taken consideration of it, but of course there lies the danger. So most its a no smoking train :thinking:

More news these 2 days. Bu Da La Gong have commented that they do not like to be infested with so many tourists. Daily, they allow 1800 tickets to be sold to tourists and another 500 for Buddhists from around the world. Now, they get an influx of 4000 - 5000 tourists daily and have to reject entry to a lot of them.

Also said that they are most afraid of reporters, because the articles written by reporters will simply draw more and more people there, which they cannot cope and do not want.